1. longnecks:twofish: I condensed this for the sake of the readers, so if anyone wants the original context click here.I said the women that date him know what they’re getting into before hand. Not many women have the opportunity to know they’re about to date a complete attention seeking, abusive piece of shit. So yes, they do put themselves in a situation. BOOM, ROASTED.Putting down a stranger is so easy to do, congrats woman. You most certainly implied that women are always being victimized. Charlie Sheen is not prized, this whole argument is getting out of control and you are just giving him more attention than he deserves don’t you think? Whether it be talking poorly about the man or not, you’re still giving him attention aren’t you? Completely against your original opinions….BOOM, ROASTED.Yes, I am new to the internet. I was born yesterday. A newborn woman-hater idiot! Did you know that domestic abuse in Wisconsin alone nearly doubles when the Packers lose?  No ones patting Sheen on the back saying, keep up the abuse man!….Were you mad when Michael Vick got charged for animal abuse…but then was allowed to play football again?! Yes, society is fucked up…what are you doing about it besides bitching to the wrong people? Want a change? Make it happen! Are YOU knew on here? BOOM, ROASTED.Cool your jets maaan…was said in a nice way of saying relax. It’s rude to say ‘fuck you’ to people you don’t know and then snap on them for something they even apologized for. FUCK this went from Charlie Sheen to RAPE. Is this real life??  You don’t like my opinions, I know you are, but what am I? Look kiddo, I agreed with most of what you said. But apparently you’ve had a rough day or something in your brain snapped because you’re taking out a lot of aggression on someone you don’t know. And I never said FEMI-NAZI, but yeah, you’re being oversensitive. I’m such a woman-hating idiot though, so I guess I’ll just go with… you’re on the rag, aren’t ya? I understand my culture, and you should do the same. Relax about Charlie Sheen. Stand up for your ideas involving womans rights outside of tumblr arguments and maybe you’ll get somewhere. Listen, you are being willfully ignorant and there’s not much more I can do to help you if that’s your choice. I’m going to guess based on your spelling and grammar and failures in basic logic, that maybe this format isn’t the best one for you in terms of debate, and maybe in real life there is some eloquence to your misogynistic arguments that I’m missing. I don’t know. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. So I’ll just so a few closing remarks as a final attempt for you to understand what I’m saying, and then I’m not addressing this anymore. If willfully ignorant is how you choose to be then there is no amount of rational thought that will help you. I implied that lots of women are always being victimized because lots of women are always being victimized. It’s part of living in a (oftentimes violent) patriarchy. What I did not imply was that all women are victims, or that all women are helpless against their abusers. Charlie Sheen is prized. I just don’t….I don’t understand how you could think otherwise. Why else would we even being talking about him? Do you not understand the massive celebrity he’s created for himself? He’s a fucking national treasure. A joke, but a national treasure. He prized in the way that we value his ability to entertain us more than we are outraged by his violence against women (amongst other crimes). He has been on countless television programs, people are buying tickets to see him live, he’s getting random people all over the country to use his catch phrases, he is his own freaking meme. Yes, I was upset when Michael Vick was charged with animal abuse but allowed to continue his football career. It’s disgusting….but has absolutely no point in the context of this argument. I understand you are trying to make some point about our society being an unjust and chaotic place, but I think it’s clear that I have a much deeper understanding of the various layers of our society than you do. We connected the issues with Charlie Sheen and his tendencies towards the abuse of women with rape because the two cultures are very linked. Abuse culture is one smaller facet of the larger rape culture that we live in. When I say rape culture I’m not just including clear-cut rape. I’m including most violent crimes against women that stem from misogyny. They are like branches on the larger tree that is rape culture. Keep up, please. The problem with telling feminists who stand up for the cause that they must just be having a rough day or are oversensitive or are “on the rag” (OMG, you’re so goddamn funny. Everyone give her a round of applause! And no, I know, I know you were being sarcastic and that means it’s not offensive, right?) is that it completely diminishes the cause itself. When I stand up passionately for something I believe in it is completely belittling for someone to imply it’s simply because I’m on my period or am just having a bad day. That’s a construct of the patriarchy, and it’s getting clearer and clearer you have absolutely zero clue as to how much you’ve been controlled by it. I think it would be lost on you if I explained why sexist jokes were really damaging, so I’ll save it for now, because it would be another long argument. Lastly, I’m really glad you brought up the idea of doing something outside of engaging in online arguments about misogyny and the like. It’s something we need more of, and it’s funny to me that you accuse me of doing nothing but arguing on the internet when you know nothing about my life. I’m not just some internet feminist who does nothing but pick fights on Tumblr. This isn’t my secret online identity. I’m a feminist. Period. I live my life by those ideals and I do far more than argue with people online to promote feminism in the world. What I think is also important to note is that arguing with people you don’t know online is a good thing. You say I’m arguing with the wrong person, but you’re uninformed and spouting off misogynistic ideas without understanding it’s implications, so I’d say trying to inform you is a pretty worthy cause. Trying to spread information in the face of ignorance is worth something, whether it’s with a close friend in person or a stranger on the internet. I think honestly what has made me the most sad about this is that you are a woman. Women who feed into the misogynistic culture created for them by men to me are much sadder than male misogynists. Don’t you understand that you are subscribing to the very ideas which oppress you?

    longnecks:twofish:

    I condensed this for the sake of the readers, so if anyone wants the original context click here.
    I said the women that date him know what they’re getting into before hand. Not many women have the opportunity to know they’re about to date a complete attention seeking, abusive piece of shit. So yes, they do put themselves in a situation. BOOM, ROASTED.
    Putting down a stranger is so easy to do, congrats woman. You most certainly implied that women are always being victimized. Charlie Sheen is not prized, this whole argument is getting out of control and you are just giving him more attention than he deserves don’t you think? Whether it be talking poorly about the man or not, you’re still giving him attention aren’t you? Completely against your original opinions….BOOM, ROASTED.
    Yes, I am new to the internet. I was born yesterday. A newborn woman-hater idiot! Did you know that domestic abuse in Wisconsin alone nearly doubles when the Packers lose?  No ones patting Sheen on the back saying, keep up the abuse man!….Were you mad when Michael Vick got charged for animal abuse…but then was allowed to play football again?! Yes, society is fucked up…what are you doing about it besides bitching to the wrong people? Want a change? Make it happen! Are YOU knew on here? BOOM, ROASTED.
    Cool your jets maaan…was said in a nice way of saying relax. It’s rude to say ‘fuck you’ to people you don’t know and then snap on them for something they even apologized for. FUCK this went from Charlie Sheen to RAPE. Is this real life?? 
    You don’t like my opinions, I know you are, but what am I? Look kiddo, I agreed with most of what you said. But apparently you’ve had a rough day or something in your brain snapped because you’re taking out a lot of aggression on someone you don’t know. And I never said FEMI-NAZI, but yeah, you’re being oversensitive. I’m such a woman-hating idiot though, so I guess I’ll just go with… you’re on the rag, aren’t ya?
    I understand my culture, and you should do the same. Relax about Charlie Sheen. Stand up for your ideas involving womans rights outside of tumblr arguments and maybe you’ll get somewhere.

    Listen, you are being willfully ignorant and there’s not much more I can do to help you if that’s your choice. I’m going to guess based on your spelling and grammar and failures in basic logic, that maybe this format isn’t the best one for you in terms of debate, and maybe in real life there is some eloquence to your misogynistic arguments that I’m missing. I don’t know. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    So I’ll just so a few closing remarks as a final attempt for you to understand what I’m saying, and then I’m not addressing this anymore. If willfully ignorant is how you choose to be then there is no amount of rational thought that will help you.

    1. I implied that lots of women are always being victimized because lots of women are always being victimized. It’s part of living in a (oftentimes violent) patriarchy. What I did not imply was that all women are victims, or that all women are helpless against their abusers.
    2. Charlie Sheen is prized. I just don’t….I don’t understand how you could think otherwise. Why else would we even being talking about him? Do you not understand the massive celebrity he’s created for himself? He’s a fucking national treasure. A joke, but a national treasure. He prized in the way that we value his ability to entertain us more than we are outraged by his violence against women (amongst other crimes). He has been on countless television programs, people are buying tickets to see him live, he’s getting random people all over the country to use his catch phrases, he is his own freaking meme.
    3. Yes, I was upset when Michael Vick was charged with animal abuse but allowed to continue his football career. It’s disgusting….but has absolutely no point in the context of this argument. I understand you are trying to make some point about our society being an unjust and chaotic place, but I think it’s clear that I have a much deeper understanding of the various layers of our society than you do.
    4. We connected the issues with Charlie Sheen and his tendencies towards the abuse of women with rape because the two cultures are very linked. Abuse culture is one smaller facet of the larger rape culture that we live in. When I say rape culture I’m not just including clear-cut rape. I’m including most violent crimes against women that stem from misogyny. They are like branches on the larger tree that is rape culture. Keep up, please.
    5. The problem with telling feminists who stand up for the cause that they must just be having a rough day or are oversensitive or are “on the rag” (OMG, you’re so goddamn funny. Everyone give her a round of applause! And no, I know, I know you were being sarcastic and that means it’s not offensive, right?) is that it completely diminishes the cause itself. When I stand up passionately for something I believe in it is completely belittling for someone to imply it’s simply because I’m on my period or am just having a bad day. That’s a construct of the patriarchy, and it’s getting clearer and clearer you have absolutely zero clue as to how much you’ve been controlled by it. I think it would be lost on you if I explained why sexist jokes were really damaging, so I’ll save it for now, because it would be another long argument.
    6. Lastly, I’m really glad you brought up the idea of doing something outside of engaging in online arguments about misogyny and the like. It’s something we need more of, and it’s funny to me that you accuse me of doing nothing but arguing on the internet when you know nothing about my life. I’m not just some internet feminist who does nothing but pick fights on Tumblr. This isn’t my secret online identity. I’m a feminist. Period. I live my life by those ideals and I do far more than argue with people online to promote feminism in the world. What I think is also important to note is that arguing with people you don’t know online is a good thing. You say I’m arguing with the wrong person, but you’re uninformed and spouting off misogynistic ideas without understanding it’s implications, so I’d say trying to inform you is a pretty worthy cause. Trying to spread information in the face of ignorance is worth something, whether it’s with a close friend in person or a stranger on the internet.

    I think honestly what has made me the most sad about this is that you are a woman. Women who feed into the misogynistic culture created for them by men to me are much sadder than male misogynists.

    Don’t you understand that you are subscribing to the very ideas which oppress you?

  2. longnecks:twofish: This is going to be rather choppy because I have to get to work. HOWEVER:“The thing is you ARE encouraging him by using the phrase “winning”, you and thousands of other people. You’re trying to emulate a man by using his catch phrases, and that encourages him. You and people like you who are amused by him, who are watching his interviews, who are buying tickets to his tours, who are using his catch phrases ARE encouraging him.”Not buying tickets to shows, not watching interviews, not following on twitter, not photoshopping me with charlie sheen enjoying the sunset together. Relax. “Wow, victim blaming. God forbid you ever are in an abusive relationship and somebody tells you it’s your fault for not seeing the signs. If I enter a room with a known rapist do I deserve to get raped? Do I not deserve justice, sensitivity, and understanding if I am, just because I knew he was a rapist?”I knew that would upset you when I wrote that. Of course you would take it the wrong way.  Can YOU not tell that the man is a nutcase? Would YOU date him after seeing all of this bullshit in the media? I’d like to think you’re smarter than that.  You are a mess. God not every woman is a fucking victim. EVERYONE gets victimized. You’re making it look like women are poor helpless creatures that suffer the most horrible circumstances because they are always the victim. They don’t put themselves in situations they can’t get out of, they just get lured into them.  If you went into a room with a known rapist do you deserve to get raped? DUMB question. Answer:NO. BUT the fact that you know you’re in the room with one might cause you to act differently, would you not?? Would you enter the room alone? Would you dress differently? Yes, yes all women in abusive relationships that continue to stay in them are asking for it. Are you kidding me? Thats a sick idea if I’ve ever heard one.  You really have a nice way of spinning peoples words around. Maybe you’re just better at taking things way too seriously.  How was saying ‘cool your jets maannn’ offensive? This conversation is getting rather humorous considering it started because you got upset at a funny comment. There are feminists and there are crazy ass over the top man hating/world hating feminists who think that EVERYONE is out to get them, challenge and argue them. You don’t have to prove anything to me (someone you dont know) by saying I am a “woman-hating idiot” What good is that doing? Do you feel satisfied in saying such?.  So. Just so everyone knows, I’m not a woman-hating idiot. I’m not a man-hating idiot. I’m not an idiot. I think that Charlie Sheen is a dumb ass and don’t agree with what he’s done in the past (an continues to do).  I don’t think that physical or verbal abuse is funny, or that anyone ‘deserves’ that. I condensed this for the sake of the readers, so if anyone wants the original context click here. “Not buying tickets to shows, not watching interviews, not following on twitter, not photoshopping me with charlie sheen enjoying the sunset together. Relax.” Please read more carefully. I did not say you were doing all of these things. I equated your use of his catch phrase to the many other ways in which people are enabling him (i.e. watching his interviews, going to his shows). “I knew that would upset you when I wrote that. Of course you would take it the wrong way.  Can YOU not tell that the man is a nutcase? Would YOU date him after seeing all of this bullshit in the media? I’d like to think you’re smarter than that.  You are a mess. God not every woman is a fucking victim. EVERYONE gets victimized. You’re making it look like women are poor helpless creatures that suffer the most horrible circumstances because they are always the victim.” How could I possibly take it the wrong way? You said specifically that the women who date Charlie Sheen put themselves in a position to be abused. While that in itself is a problem for me, the bigger problem here is that you imply that these women deserve the crime to be taken less seriously because they “put themselves in the situation”. I understand that you’ve been pretty much bombarded by patriarchal culture since the moment your parents found out you were going to be girl. But try a little harder now. Truth: I would not, assuming I had all the necessary evidence, be likely to date a known abuser of women. BUT that is beside the point entirely. It doesn’t matter if the man walked around screaming “I WILL HIT EVERY WOMAN THAT DATES ME”.  That does not diminish the crime when he does end up abusing a woman. That doesn’t mean any woman who dates him and is abused should be treated any less than a victim of a violent crime.  I never said that all women were victims. I am saying that victims are victims, and that the perpetrators of this kind of violence shouldn’t be idolized, praised, and emulated. And yes of course, EVERYONE can be a victim. Jesus, are you new here?  Domestic abuse is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women and the roots of this behavior are almost always internalized misogyny. The internalized misogyny is cultivated by cultural figureheads like Charlie Sheen and his success in the public eye as a known abuser of women. Women are not poor, helpless creatures but culturally we are made to believe that we are, and men are made to believe that we are too, which creates a cycle of violence based on the idea that women are weak, should submit, and are public property. Just because you and I know that women are not poor, helpless creatures doesn’t make the cultural dictate that we are any less prevalent, and it doesn’t make women who are abused any less deserving of sensitivity and justice. If you went into a room with a known rapist do you deserve to get raped? DUMB question. Answer:NO. BUT the fact that you know you’re in the room with one might cause you to act differently, would you not?? Would you enter the room alone? Would you dress differently? Again, I feel like you’re having a hard time understanding this. It’s not about whether or not I would dress different or act differently if I was in a room with a known racist. It is about the social constructs that lead us to an argument wherein we discuss how I would act or dress in front of a rapist. In this society we teach women how to not be victims, but we don’t teach men how to not be abusers. The point here is that emulating and idolizing a man like Charlie Sheen and bolstering him in the public eye as some kind of warped celebrity is a part of what makes abuse/rape culture. It’s not about what I would wear in the room with the rapist. It’s about whether or not the rapist was taught by society that it was okay to rape me. “How was saying ‘cool your jets maannn’ offensive” It’s offensive because it implies that I should calm down about something that is a big issue. “This conversation is getting rather humorous considering it started because you got upset at a funny comment. There are feminists and there are crazy ass over the top man hating/world hating feminists who think that EVERYONE is out to get them, challenge and argue them.” Your comment wasn’t funny. It was dismissive. And now you’re moving to the oldest trick in the book. You don’t like my opinions, you don’t want to listen to reason or logic or examine your worldview, so you’re moving onto the old “FEMI-NAZI! MAN HATER! YOU’RE BEING OVERSENSITIVE/LIKE BEING OFFENDED/TAKE EVERYTHING TOO SERIOUSLY” argument, which is at least three different kinds of derailment. It’s the last bastion of the misogynist, because it’s easier to call me a man-hating crazy person, then have to admit that your argument is based on misogyny and a non-understanding of your culture.

    longnecks:twofish:

    This is going to be rather choppy because I have to get to work. HOWEVER:
    “The thing is you ARE encouraging him by using the phrase “winning”, you and thousands of other people. You’re trying to emulate a man by using his catch phrases, and that encourages him. You and people like you who are amused by him, who are watching his interviews, who are buying tickets to his tours, who are using his catch phrases ARE encouraging him.”
    Not buying tickets to shows, not watching interviews, not following on twitter, not photoshopping me with charlie sheen enjoying the sunset together. Relax.
    “Wow, victim blaming. God forbid you ever are in an abusive relationship and somebody tells you it’s your fault for not seeing the signs. If I enter a room with a known rapist do I deserve to get raped? Do I not deserve justice, sensitivity, and understanding if I am, just because I knew he was a rapist?”
    I knew that would upset you when I wrote that. Of course you would take it the wrong way.  Can YOU not tell that the man is a nutcase? Would YOU date him after seeing all of this bullshit in the media? I’d like to think you’re smarter than that.  You are a mess. God not every woman is a fucking victim. EVERYONE gets victimized. You’re making it look like women are poor helpless creatures that suffer the most horrible circumstances because they are always the victim. They don’t put themselves in situations they can’t get out of, they just get lured into them.  If you went into a room with a known rapist do you deserve to get raped?
     DUMB question.
    Answer:NO.
    BUT the fact that you know you’re in the room with one might cause you to act differently, would you not?? Would you enter the room alone? Would you dress differently?
    Yes, yes all women in abusive relationships that continue to stay in them are asking for it. Are you kidding me? Thats a sick idea if I’ve ever heard one.  You really have a nice way of spinning peoples words around. Maybe you’re just better at taking things way too seriously.  How was saying ‘cool your jets maannn’ offensive? This conversation is getting rather humorous considering it started because you got upset at a funny comment. There are feminists and there are crazy ass over the top man hating/world hating feminists who think that EVERYONE is out to get them, challenge and argue them. You don’t have to prove anything to me (someone you dont know) by saying I am a “woman-hating idiot” What good is that doing? Do you feel satisfied in saying such?. 
    So. Just so everyone knows, I’m not a woman-hating idiot. I’m not a man-hating idiot. I’m not an idiot. I think that Charlie Sheen is a dumb ass and don’t agree with what he’s done in the past (an continues to do).  I don’t think that physical or verbal abuse is funny, or that anyone ‘deserves’ that.

    I condensed this for the sake of the readers, so if anyone wants the original context click here.

    “Not buying tickets to shows, not watching interviews, not following on twitter, not photoshopping me with charlie sheen enjoying the sunset together. Relax.”

    Please read more carefully. I did not say you were doing all of these things. I equated your use of his catch phrase to the many other ways in which people are enabling him (i.e. watching his interviews, going to his shows).

    “I knew that would upset you when I wrote that. Of course you would take it the wrong way.  Can YOU not tell that the man is a nutcase? Would YOU date him after seeing all of this bullshit in the media? I’d like to think you’re smarter than that.  You are a mess. God not every woman is a fucking victim. EVERYONE gets victimized. You’re making it look like women are poor helpless creatures that suffer the most horrible circumstances because they are always the victim.”

    How could I possibly take it the wrong way? You said specifically that the women who date Charlie Sheen put themselves in a position to be abused. While that in itself is a problem for me, the bigger problem here is that you imply that these women deserve the crime to be taken less seriously because they “put themselves in the situation”.

    I understand that you’ve been pretty much bombarded by patriarchal culture since the moment your parents found out you were going to be girl. But try a little harder now.

    Truth: I would not, assuming I had all the necessary evidence, be likely to date a known abuser of women. BUT that is beside the point entirely. It doesn’t matter if the man walked around screaming “I WILL HIT EVERY WOMAN THAT DATES ME”.  That does not diminish the crime when he does end up abusing a woman. That doesn’t mean any woman who dates him and is abused should be treated any less than a victim of a violent crime. 

    I never said that all women were victims. I am saying that victims are victims, and that the perpetrators of this kind of violence shouldn’t be idolized, praised, and emulated.

    And yes of course, EVERYONE can be a victim. Jesus, are you new here?  Domestic abuse is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men against women and the roots of this behavior are almost always internalized misogyny. The internalized misogyny is cultivated by cultural figureheads like Charlie Sheen and his success in the public eye as a known abuser of women.

    Women are not poor, helpless creatures but culturally we are made to believe that we are, and men are made to believe that we are too, which creates a cycle of violence based on the idea that women are weak, should submit, and are public property.

    Just because you and I know that women are not poor, helpless creatures doesn’t make the cultural dictate that we are any less prevalent, and it doesn’t make women who are abused any less deserving of sensitivity and justice.

    If you went into a room with a known rapist do you deserve to get raped?
     DUMB question.
    Answer:NO.
    BUT the fact that you know you’re in the room with one might cause you to act differently, would you not?? Would you enter the room alone? Would you dress differently?

    Again, I feel like you’re having a hard time understanding this. It’s not about whether or not I would dress different or act differently if I was in a room with a known racist. It is about the social constructs that lead us to an argument wherein we discuss how I would act or dress in front of a rapist.

    In this society we teach women how to not be victims, but we don’t teach men how to not be abusers.

    The point here is that emulating and idolizing a man like Charlie Sheen and bolstering him in the public eye as some kind of warped celebrity is a part of what makes abuse/rape culture.

    It’s not about what I would wear in the room with the rapist. It’s about whether or not the rapist was taught by society that it was okay to rape me.

    “How was saying ‘cool your jets maannn’ offensive”

    It’s offensive because it implies that I should calm down about something that is a big issue.

    “This conversation is getting rather humorous considering it started because you got upset at a funny comment. There are feminists and there are crazy ass over the top man hating/world hating feminists who think that EVERYONE is out to get them, challenge and argue them.”

    Your comment wasn’t funny. It was dismissive.

    And now you’re moving to the oldest trick in the book. You don’t like my opinions, you don’t want to listen to reason or logic or examine your worldview, so you’re moving onto the old “FEMI-NAZI! MAN HATER! YOU’RE BEING OVERSENSITIVE/LIKE BEING OFFENDED/TAKE EVERYTHING TOO SERIOUSLY” argument, which is at least three different kinds of derailment.

    It’s the last bastion of the misogynist, because it’s easier to call me a man-hating crazy person, then have to admit that your argument is based on misogyny and a non-understanding of your culture.

  3. longnecks: twofish: I’m sorry, but no. Fuck you very much. There are not enough people who are outraged by this criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist and the massive wealth and following he has gained by being nothing more than a criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist. But he’s excused because he’s a white male who entertains droves of people (who are completely devoid of any actual sense of humor) with his antics. Boys will be boys, right? Don’t tell me to cool my jets, don’t tell me to calm down, because most people are calm all the time. Most people don’t give a shit. Most people are like you, fucking prancing through life and telling people who actually stand for something to “cool their jets”.  And it’s people like me who DO give a shit about injustice, about misogyny, about sexism, about disgusting fucking cultural cancers like Charlie Sheen that actually keep the world from being a completely abhorrent place. Fucking educate yourself. If you don’t understand what the problem is with fucking Charlie Sheen and the culture surrounding him then you’re not paying close enough attention. Woah woah woah……woah. ‘fuck you very much’, great Lily Allen song, but you were just being rude and not referencing her at all.  Now where did I ever say I wasn’t outraged by Charlie Sheen? Just because I was using the phrase ‘winning’? I’m not encouraging the man, I’m not following him on Twitter, so what’s the big deal?  Do I agree with his acts of violence towards women? Absolutely not! I feel horrible for the women that put themselves in a position to be abused by someone who is KNOWN for treating women horribly. Yes, I said they put themselves in the position to be abused, and it’s true. Maybe you should tell those women to ‘fucking educate themselves’ and they wouldn’t have locked themselves in the bathrooms of hotels, been abused or scared for their lives in the first place. I think you’d have to be fucking nuts to date Charlie Sheen and put up with all of his bullshit all the time. Clearly they’re doing it for money, because no one with a brain would do that because they actually think hes a decent guy. Unless you’re one of those girls that thinks that maybe they can change him for the better. As far as the violence goes, I don’t think he’s excused of acting this way just because he’s a ‘white mail who entertains droves of people’. Trying to hint at me thinking that Charlie Sheen isn’t in the wrong with your sarcastic statement about ‘Boys will be boys’ is ridiculous. I think you’re preaching your opinion to the wrong person. I do regret saying ‘cool your jets maannn’  because you didnt’ seem to catch the sarcasm whatsoever ..perhaps I should have used a winking emoticon? However, you went a little over board with your response, you didn’t need to act like I said:     ‘Fuck you, you’re wrong, Charlie Sheen is awesome and hilarious. He’s not in the wrong at all, and everyone should start acting like that. Its okay that he treats women the way he does because honestly, who gives a fuck? ALL HAIL CHARLIE SHEEN’ The problem with the internet is that some people do not take sarcasm very well because they can’t read that well into it. This, being an example.  For the record, I don’t ‘prance through life’ and tell people who believe in something to ‘cool their jets’…good god this is a ridiculous argument about Charlie fucking Sheen here. Plus, this little stunt he’s doing right now is all an act and everyone thats buying is getting taken for a ride. Wow, how many kinds of sexism and derailment did we have in this doozy? I’m just going to break some of this down for ya’ll (longneck’s responses in italics, mine in bold): “Now where did I ever say I wasn’t outraged by Charlie Sheen? Just because I was using the phrase ‘winning’? I’m not encouraging the man, I’m not following him on Twitter, so what’s the big deal?” The thing is you ARE encouraging him by using the phrase “winning”, you and thousands of other people. You’re trying to emulate a man by using his catch phrases, and that encourages him. You and people like you who are amused by him, who are watching his interviews, who are buying tickets to his tours, who are using his catch phrases ARE encouraging him. “Do I agree with his acts of violence towards women? Absolutely not! I feel horrible for the women that put themselves in a position to be abused by someone who is KNOWN for treating women horribly. Yes, I said they put themselves in the position to be abused, and it’s true.” Wow, victim blaming. God forbid you ever are in an abusive relationship and somebody tells you it’s your fault for not seeing the signs. If I enter a room with a known rapist do I deserve to get raped? Do I not deserve justice, sensitivity, and understanding if I am, just because I knew he was a rapist? Women don’t put themselves in positions to be victimized, PEOPLE VICTIMIZE THEM. This just reeks of abuse and rape culture, and you’re a truly fucking disgusting human being if you think that people who are being abused, even by a known abuser, means that we should take the abuse less seriously. “Clearly they’re doing it for money, because no one with a brain would do that because they actually think hes a decent guy.” So at this point you’re basically just calling anyone who dates Charlie Sheen a dumb, gold-digging crazy person who deserved the violence perpetrated against them because I mean, c’mon they were dating a known abuser! They were begging to get hit! I do regret saying ‘cool your jets maannn’  because you didnt’ seem to catch the sarcasm whatsoever ..perhaps I should have used a winking emoticon? No, the winking emoticon wouldn’t have helped. And you obviously have no concept of sarcasm. You can’t just say something offensive, get called out on it, and then say, “Oh you didn’t get the joke. You didn’t get my ‘sarcasm’.” That’s not an argument, it serves no purpose in this conversation. It’s called derailment, and I suggest you read this article because you’ve used about 5 or 6 of these methods in your response. “The problem with the internet is that some people do not take sarcasm very well because they can’t read that well into it. This, being an example.  For the record, I don’t ‘prance through life’ and tell people who believe in something to ‘cool their jets’…good god this is a ridiculous argument about Charlie fucking Sheen here. Plus, this little stunt he’s doing right now is all an act and everyone thats buying is getting taken for a ride.” Again, derailment. Google sarcasm, girl. Learn what it actually means. Everything offensive or dismissive does not qualify as sarcasm. And again, more derailment here. ~Oh man oh man, it’s just the internet, it’s Charlie Sheen, I can’t believe you’re arguing about something so unimportant. This is important. And like I said, it’s people like you that make people like me a valuable resource because I clearly understand why it is important, while you fight tooth and nail against logic and decency right alongside the patriarchy.  I would think a little bit harder before you speak next time, you woman-hating idiot.

    longnecks:

    twofish:

    I’m sorry, but no. Fuck you very much.

    There are not enough people who are outraged by this criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist and the massive wealth and following he has gained by being nothing more than a criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist.

    But he’s excused because he’s a white male who entertains droves of people (who are completely devoid of any actual sense of humor) with his antics. Boys will be boys, right?

    Don’t tell me to cool my jets, don’t tell me to calm down, because most people are calm all the time. Most people don’t give a shit. Most people are like you, fucking prancing through life and telling people who actually stand for something to “cool their jets”. 

    And it’s people like me who DO give a shit about injustice, about misogyny, about sexism, about disgusting fucking cultural cancers like Charlie Sheen that actually keep the world from being a completely abhorrent place.

    Fucking educate yourself. If you don’t understand what the problem is with fucking Charlie Sheen and the culture surrounding him then you’re not paying close enough attention.

    Woah woah woah……woah.


    ‘fuck you very much’, great Lily Allen song, but you were just being rude and not referencing her at all.  Now where did I ever say I wasn’t outraged by Charlie Sheen? Just because I was using the phrase ‘winning’? I’m not encouraging the man, I’m not following him on Twitter, so what’s the big deal? 
    Do I agree with his acts of violence towards women? Absolutely not! I feel horrible for the women that put themselves in a position to be abused by someone who is KNOWN for treating women horribly. Yes, I said they put themselves in the position to be abused, and it’s true. Maybe you should tell those women to ‘fucking educate themselves’ and they wouldn’t have locked themselves in the bathrooms of hotels, been abused or scared for their lives in the first place. I think you’d have to be fucking nuts to date Charlie Sheen and put up with all of his bullshit all the time. Clearly they’re doing it for money, because no one with a brain would do that because they actually think hes a decent guy. Unless you’re one of those girls that thinks that maybe they can change him for the better.
     As far as the violence goes, I don’t think he’s excused of acting this way just because he’s a ‘white mail who entertains droves of people’. Trying to hint at me thinking that Charlie Sheen isn’t in the wrong with your sarcastic statement about ‘Boys will be boys’ is ridiculous. I think you’re preaching your opinion to the wrong person.

    I do regret saying ‘cool your jets maannn’  because you didnt’ seem to catch the sarcasm whatsoever ..perhaps I should have used a winking emoticon? However, you went a little over board with your response, you didn’t need to act like I said:

        ‘Fuck you, you’re wrong, Charlie Sheen is awesome and hilarious. He’s not in the wrong at all, and everyone should start acting like that. Its okay that he treats women the way he does because honestly, who gives a fuck? ALL HAIL CHARLIE SHEEN’


    The problem with the internet is that some people do not take sarcasm very well because they can’t read that well into it. This, being an example. 
    For the record, I don’t ‘prance through life’ and tell people who believe in something to ‘cool their jets’…good god this is a ridiculous argument about Charlie fucking Sheen here. Plus, this little stunt he’s doing right now is all an act and everyone thats buying is getting taken for a ride.

    Wow, how many kinds of sexism and derailment did we have in this doozy? I’m just going to break some of this down for ya’ll (longneck’s responses in italics, mine in bold):

    “Now where did I ever say I wasn’t outraged by Charlie Sheen? Just because I was using the phrase ‘winning’? I’m not encouraging the man, I’m not following him on Twitter, so what’s the big deal?”

    The thing is you ARE encouraging him by using the phrase “winning”, you and thousands of other people. You’re trying to emulate a man by using his catch phrases, and that encourages him. You and people like you who are amused by him, who are watching his interviews, who are buying tickets to his tours, who are using his catch phrases ARE encouraging him.

    “Do I agree with his acts of violence towards women? Absolutely not! I feel horrible for the women that put themselves in a position to be abused by someone who is KNOWN for treating women horribly. Yes, I said they put themselves in the position to be abused, and it’s true.”

    Wow, victim blaming. God forbid you ever are in an abusive relationship and somebody tells you it’s your fault for not seeing the signs. If I enter a room with a known rapist do I deserve to get raped? Do I not deserve justice, sensitivity, and understanding if I am, just because I knew he was a rapist?

    Women don’t put themselves in positions to be victimized, PEOPLE VICTIMIZE THEM. This just reeks of abuse and rape culture, and you’re a truly fucking disgusting human being if you think that people who are being abused, even by a known abuser, means that we should take the abuse less seriously.

    “Clearly they’re doing it for money, because no one with a brain would do that because they actually think hes a decent guy.”

    So at this point you’re basically just calling anyone who dates Charlie Sheen a dumb, gold-digging crazy person who deserved the violence perpetrated against them because I mean, c’mon they were dating a known abuser! They were begging to get hit!

    I do regret saying ‘cool your jets maannn’  because you didnt’ seem to catch the sarcasm whatsoever ..perhaps I should have used a winking emoticon?

    No, the winking emoticon wouldn’t have helped. And you obviously have no concept of sarcasm. You can’t just say something offensive, get called out on it, and then say, “Oh you didn’t get the joke. You didn’t get my ‘sarcasm’.” That’s not an argument, it serves no purpose in this conversation. It’s called derailment, and I suggest you read this article because you’ve used about 5 or 6 of these methods in your response.

    “The problem with the internet is that some people do not take sarcasm very well because they can’t read that well into it. This, being an example. 
    For the record, I don’t ‘prance through life’ and tell people who believe in something to ‘cool their jets’…good god this is a ridiculous argument about Charlie fucking Sheen here. Plus, this little stunt he’s doing right now is all an act and everyone thats buying is getting taken for a ride.”

    Again, derailment. Google sarcasm, girl. Learn what it actually means. Everything offensive or dismissive does not qualify as sarcasm.

    And again, more derailment here. ~Oh man oh man, it’s just the internet, it’s Charlie Sheen, I can’t believe you’re arguing about something so unimportant.

    This is important. And like I said, it’s people like you that make people like me a valuable resource because I clearly understand why it is important, while you fight tooth and nail against logic and decency right alongside the patriarchy. 

    I would think a little bit harder before you speak next time, you woman-hating idiot.

  4. I’m sorry, but no. Fuck you very much. There are not enough people who are outraged by this criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist and the massive wealth and following he has gained by being nothing more than a criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist. “In 2006, his wife at the time, Denise Richards, filed a restraining order, charging that Mr. Sheen had pushed her down, thrown chairs at her and threatened to kill her in person and on the phone. The couple eventually divorced. Mr. Sheen then had a series of very public relationships with sex film stars, which is certainly his prerogative — talent is as talent does — but he also continued to exhibit a pattern of violence toward women. Mr. Sheen was charged with a felony for an incident on Christmas Day in 2009 in which he threatened to kill his wife, Brooke Mueller, while holding a knife to her throat. According to the police report, Mr. Sheen “started to strangle Mueller then he pulled out a knife he always carries on his person and held the knife to Mueller’s neck and threatened, ‘You better be in fear. If you tell anybody I’ll kill you.’ ” Last fall, Mr. Sheen went on a rampage in the Plaza Hotel in New York. A hired escort who had locked herself in the bathroom claimed he had put his hands around her neck and threatened her while his former wife Ms. Richards and his children slept down the hall. Yet none of these incidents got Mr. Sheen fired from his lucrative day job as a sitcom star, not even suspended. What did? He insulted his boss.” [source] And these are just his REPORTED incidents of violence again women! But he’s excused because he’s a white male who entertains droves of people (who are completely devoid of any actual sense of humor) with his antics. Boys will be boys, right? Don’t tell me to cool my jets, don’t tell me to calm down, because most people are calm all the time. Most people don’t give a shit. Most people are like you, fucking prancing through life and telling people who actually stand for something to “cool their jets”.  And it’s people like me who DO give a shit about injustice, about misogyny, about sexism, about disgusting fucking cultural cancers like Charlie Sheen that actually keep the world from being a completely abhorrent place. Fucking educate yourself. If you don’t understand what the problem is with fucking Charlie Sheen and the culture surrounding him then you’re not paying close enough attention.

    I’m sorry, but no. Fuck you very much.

    There are not enough people who are outraged by this criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist and the massive wealth and following he has gained by being nothing more than a criminal, drug-addled, maniac misogynist.

    “In 2006, his wife at the time, Denise Richards, filed a restraining order, charging that Mr. Sheen had pushed her down, thrown chairs at her and threatened to kill her in person and on the phone. The couple eventually divorced.

    Mr. Sheen then had a series of very public relationships with sex film stars, which is certainly his prerogative — talent is as talent does — but he also continued to exhibit a pattern of violence toward women.

    Mr. Sheen was charged with a felony for an incident on Christmas Day in 2009 in which he threatened to kill his wife, Brooke Mueller, while holding a knife to her throat. According to the police report, Mr. Sheen “started to strangle Mueller then he pulled out a knife he always carries on his person and held the knife to Mueller’s neck and threatened, ‘You better be in fear. If you tell anybody I’ll kill you.’ ”

    Last fall, Mr. Sheen went on a rampage in the Plaza Hotel in New York. A hired escort who had locked herself in the bathroom claimed he had put his hands around her neck and threatened her while his former wife Ms. Richards and his children slept down the hall.

    Yet none of these incidents got Mr. Sheen fired from his lucrative day job as a sitcom star, not even suspended. What did? He insulted his boss.” [source]

    And these are just his REPORTED incidents of violence again women!

    But he’s excused because he’s a white male who entertains droves of people (who are completely devoid of any actual sense of humor) with his antics. Boys will be boys, right?

    Don’t tell me to cool my jets, don’t tell me to calm down, because most people are calm all the time. Most people don’t give a shit. Most people are like you, fucking prancing through life and telling people who actually stand for something to “cool their jets”. 

    And it’s people like me who DO give a shit about injustice, about misogyny, about sexism, about disgusting fucking cultural cancers like Charlie Sheen that actually keep the world from being a completely abhorrent place.

    Fucking educate yourself. If you don’t understand what the problem is with fucking Charlie Sheen and the culture surrounding him then you’re not paying close enough attention.

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